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ROYALBOB
04-06-2011, 06:37 PM
I realise this may cause offence to some people and apologies for this, but I feel it needs documenting. Resting in a scrap yard in Lincolnshire is one of the worlds most iconic planes.
I won't repeat the history, but to say this was a very eerie location. Pics-

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3037/5797261418_39d4f50a1f.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/royalbob1/5797261418/)
wreck1 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/royalbob1/5797261418/) by ROYALBOB2011 (http://www.flickr.com/people/royalbob1/), on Flickr

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2167/5796705823_68bb8156e9.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/royalbob1/5796705823/)
wreck2 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/royalbob1/5796705823/) by ROYALBOB2011 (http://www.flickr.com/people/royalbob1/), on Flickr

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2429/5796706035_72818cc99f.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/royalbob1/5796706035/)
wreck3 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/royalbob1/5796706035/) by ROYALBOB2011 (http://www.flickr.com/people/royalbob1/), on Flickr

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2378/5797262002_447c777a64.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/royalbob1/5797262002/)
wreck4 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/royalbob1/5797262002/) by ROYALBOB2011 (http://www.flickr.com/people/royalbob1/), on Flickr

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2073/5797262126_e67989be5f.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/royalbob1/5797262126/)
wreck6 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/royalbob1/5797262126/) by ROYALBOB2011 (http://www.flickr.com/people/royalbob1/), on Flickr

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5158/5796706597_01585d4921.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/royalbob1/5796706597/)
wreck7 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/royalbob1/5796706597/) by ROYALBOB2011 (http://www.flickr.com/people/royalbob1/), on Flickr

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3531/5797262600_773fdeb1a2.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/royalbob1/5797262600/)
jacket (http://www.flickr.com/photos/royalbob1/5797262600/) by ROYALBOB2011 (http://www.flickr.com/people/royalbob1/), on Flickr

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3066/5797262726_d0ed906ee2.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/royalbob1/5797262726/)
wreck8 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/royalbob1/5797262726/) by ROYALBOB2011 (http://www.flickr.com/people/royalbob1/), on Flickr

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2028/5796707229_8771ab19f0.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/royalbob1/5796707229/)
wreck9 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/royalbob1/5796707229/) by ROYALBOB2011 (http://www.flickr.com/people/royalbob1/), on Flickr

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2413/5796707367_b2351ddceb.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/royalbob1/5796707367/)
wreck10 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/royalbob1/5796707367/) by ROYALBOB2011 (http://www.flickr.com/people/royalbob1/), on Flickr

May all rest in peace.

GeoVDUB
04-06-2011, 06:41 PM
Lovely stuff mate...

They get £200 a week to look after that because the case isn't closed!!!

Mental...

BA
04-06-2011, 08:16 PM
Great stuff :thumb

The Littlest Jellyfish
04-06-2011, 08:49 PM
I won't repeat the history

Why not? Without the history, this is just some bits of twisted metal in a skip.

Shadow_Ops
04-06-2011, 09:22 PM
Bit of history for ya LJ
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Pan+AM+flight103

The Littlest Jellyfish
04-06-2011, 10:16 PM
Let me Google that for you

10/10 for smart-assery, but I do know all about it. It's just that there might be some people who don't, especially given that this hasn't appeared on here before. If we're expecting everyone viewing a report to search Google for some history and context, maybe we can go ever further, save ourselves less bother, and get them to search Google for images too?

Bob, I'm one of your biggest fans, so I wasn't having a go - it just amused me that you actually took time and effort to tell us you weren't going to tell us the history. It would have actually involved less wear and tear on your keyboard and fingers to have written 'The 1988 Lockerbie bombing' instead.

Anyway, thanks for the photos, it seems weird and undignified to have the remains just piled up and left outside like that.

Shadow_Ops
04-06-2011, 10:19 PM
Agreed with LJ. theres no respect just leaving it how it is.

i feel smug now... but i do see his reasons for not putting too much in there, theres a good chance it will hit a sore spot for someone on here somewhere

KelseyRebecca98
04-06-2011, 11:10 PM
Abit of info for everyone!

Pan Am Flight 103 was Pan American World Airways' third daily scheduled transatlantic flight from London Heathrow Airport to New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport. On Wednesday 21 December 1988, the aircraft flying this route—a Boeing 747–121 named Clipper Maid of the Seas—was destroyed by a bomb, killing all 243 passengers and 16 crew members.[1] Eleven people in Lockerbie, in southern Scotland, were also killed as large sections of the plane fell in the town and destroyed several houses, bringing total fatalities to 270. As a result, the event has been named by the media as the Lockerbie bombing.

Happy guys :thumb

the kwan
05-06-2011, 08:54 AM
Fascinating, thanks for sharing the pictures.

AllFallD0wn
05-06-2011, 09:07 AM
'The 1988 Lockerbie bombing'

Oooh. Nice pictures, anyway!

joybee
05-06-2011, 12:40 PM
I flew to New York on this plane, Maid of the Seas, on 22nd August 1985. It was the day of the Manchester air crash and I should have been flying to Washington DC directly to see my boyfriend. All the airspace over Britain was in chaos due to the crash so I was redirected via New York on PanAm 103. I didn't know she was in Lincolnshire. Thanks for the report.

Do66o79
05-06-2011, 12:54 PM
Great pics but i dodnt think they should have been shared - not having a go....just my oppinion guys :-)

SaltGeorge
05-06-2011, 12:57 PM
Very interesting photos, thanks for putting them up.

I agree that it would be useful to include some history, there are members on this forum who were not born when the events unfolded over Lockerbie, and without the history it's just another pile of scrap. I doubt a post like this would cause offence, it might cause distress - and this is more likely when the remains are presented voyeuristically or just as a pile of scrap without the context of a potted history. This is definitely a location that can be presented a lot more sensitively by taking the time to put some words to the pictures.

Keep up the good work.

sunny
05-06-2011, 02:17 PM
interesting pics i think people can be too sensitive about things like this it did happen people did die and peole lost family members but to forget about it isnt right either and seeing these pics serves as a reminder,its hard to word this right to not look like im saying anyone is wrong on their view point but i think saying to not share these pics would be like saying to not share pics of auschwitz imo,a little write up would of been nice too but it does just look like a pile of scrap metal if you hadnt said what it was i would never of guessed what it was.

yorkietommo
05-06-2011, 02:28 PM
Nice stuff chief. Can't see any problem with sharing these - if they wanted to keep the wreck hidden, it could have been sealed in a container somewhere, not dumped in a scrapyard next to a recreational area.

Eerie, but nice. :thumb

Krypton
05-06-2011, 02:42 PM
"Repeat the history"? As far as i am aware i have never seen this documented on another forum and if Kelseyrebecca hadn't included some history i for one would not have know what this was as i was born well after 1988. I looked at it and thought wtf has he taken pictures of a pile of scrap metal for. But after some history it does appear quite interesting.

The way we post on the forum is up to the individuals making the thread really but i do feel that we have to have some standards really when posting reports and by that i mean posting a bit of information, even if its copied off another person or the internet.

Its no good posting a thread with pictures of scrap metal and saying we all know the history when quite frankly we dont.

Anyway, regardless of that, your pictures are good :)

SaltGeorge
05-06-2011, 05:28 PM
Great pics but i dodnt think they should have been shared - not having a go....just my oppinion guys :-)


interesting pics i think people can be too sensitive about things like this it did happen people did die and peole lost family members but to forget about it isnt right either and seeing these pics serves as a reminder,its hard to word this right to not look like im saying anyone is wrong on their view point but i think saying to not share these pics would be like saying to not share pics of auschwitz imo,a little write up would of been nice too but it does just look like a pile of scrap metal if you hadnt said what it was i would never of guessed what it was.

I agree with sunny's sentiments but I can understand where Do66o79 is coming from, there are sometimes valid reasons relating to sensitivity, taste and common decency for deciding not to share a site if events are too recent. But once an appropriate interval has passed these places and events become a part of social history. With a degree of sensitivity in presenting a site and the events there is no reason not to post something you'd like to share. If it was an assylum, morgue or residential care home I doubt the sensitivity of the report would even be considered no matter how voyeuristic the approach taken by the photographer, and many of these sites are associated with far more loss than this aircraft.

Krypton, the site has been reported once or twice before on various forums.. but Roger Windley's is generally very sensitive about unauthorised access to the site. The location is very well known and has been published in the national media many times.. the Daily Fail ressurects the story every once in a while when they've column inches to fill. It was camera'd up to the eye balls last time I read up on it (it is still evidence in ongoing legal proceedings) which make me wonder if ROYALBOB was on a permission visit?

ROYALBOB
05-06-2011, 05:46 PM
Thanks for all the comments good and bad, this was not an intended report, the cars (on another post) were the target, but saw this with the plane engines etc, took some snaps and looked into it when I got back, found out what it was a had a long thought about postong it. I didn't put the history as I did not want to scream out loud what it was, and yes maybe i was ignorant thinking people would know what it was. As for posting it, i believe this site is here to document history in all forms of dereliction / abandonment, anyway, people never seem to complain about the thousands that died in asylums and had horrific experiments placed upon them, just my views. If it helps, i can edit the post with history?

scottj
05-06-2011, 08:40 PM
Absolutely amazing stuff mate, wow, i would love to see half of the stuff that you see;) I live in Linclonshire too, please please let me tag along with you at some point:)

Bunkerkid
06-06-2011, 05:01 PM
Its nice to see what happened to this one, mad that even after they have tried (and released, stupid IMO) its still rotting away classed as evidence! Thanks for posting though and getting the pictures, very interesting certainly made me go out and learn more about what happened as all I originally knew was that a plane blew up and a ton of people died!
But as others said some history wouldn't go amiss in the future :thumb

Only2Eyes
06-06-2011, 05:44 PM
Is the cockpit there?

SaltGeorge
06-06-2011, 05:54 PM
You really believe that al-Megrahi was responsible.. now that's mad I tell ye :mental

His stitch-up, detention and subsequent release had more to do with politics than justice. The UN observer to the case (Dr Hans Köchler) has expressed his concern about way the trial was handled (the defence were denied knowledge of evidence that would have supported their case, etc). If someone said little green men from Mars were responsible I think I'd find that easier to believe than the official version.
But this way lies politics and madness.. .. :wflag


It's only really technical evidence for the ongoing suit by the victims families, not as such criminal evidence in a CSI sense. The only thing holding back scrapping it for razor blades and coke cans is legal administrative technicalities. The iconic cockpit section are still supposed to be there, but I believe it had to be cut into sections to remove it from the crash site.

ROYALBOB
06-06-2011, 06:07 PM
Did not see the cockpit, to be fair I didn't want to mooch through it, just being there was freaking me out.

Nicola
23-06-2011, 03:08 PM
Just seen this now - I must have been in Bulgaria when you posted it. I originally hail from Dumfries, not too far away from the site where it came down and know several people that were affected directly or indirectly by the bombing, some of which are still in pain over their loses. Thanks for posting - it's given me a gentle reminder to catch up with a few folks....

Flyboy
13-07-2011, 11:41 AM
I had no idea they kept bits of Clipper Maid Of The Seas for this long! Thanks for the post.

blinkscott182
28-08-2011, 03:51 PM
id dont know why the pics shouldnt of been posted?? why hide things? this happened theres nothing you can do. aswell before this id never really looked into the details. i had no idea that Johnny Lydon was supposed to be onboard.
was an awful incident may all rest in peace i cant even begin to imagine what a terrifying death that would of been :( .

chauffeur
04-10-2011, 06:24 PM
Wow....thats one very interesting find,the keys in the ignition and the engines running just need a destination. Thanks for sharing